marți, 17 aprilie 2018

Elita vrea sa umple gaura existentiala si de alta natura din curtea proprie cu ţepe minoritare


Ovidiu Stoica
A good deal of the drive behind the anti-white ideology, the sanctification of minorities and other marginal, poorly integrated groups, and the flooding with legal and illegal immigrant foreigners of the formerly 'white-countries', comes from this desire of the Western elites to secure Globalization.
To be secure, Globalization needs to destroy the European nation-states, to destroy the white-ethnic majorities around whom these states were once created. Otherwise there will always be the danger of these nations rebelling (for whatever reasons) and re-erecting hard borders (which will impede the free-flow of investments/capital and economic goods) since their will is (at least in theory) the only thing which gives legitimacy to the state (and to its use of force/violence).
That’s why immigration is pushed by the moneyed elites even when it doesn’t make immediate economic sense, they have in view the possible future problems and long term security.

Seen form a historical perspective, Globalization is the continuation of the liberal project of modernity which started in the 18th century but got immediately trapped inside the boundaries of the national state because of the (almost simultaneous) emergence of nationalism. It had to limit itself to promoting liberalism and individualism to the citizens of a given nation-state.
But the goal of the liberal ideology was from the start to achieve universal individualism and contractual only relations between individuals, i.e. no non-commercial (not chosen) community bonds&loyalties which limit and impose obligations on the individual.
The French Revolution, the bloody and quintessentially liberal revolution, issued its official creed as "The Declaration of the Rights of Man" (in 1789) prompting Joseph de Maistre to write sarcastically “Now, there is no such thing as ‘man’ in this world. In my life I have seen Frenchmen, Italians, Russians, and so on... But as for man, I declare I’ve never encountered him.” and that "A constitution that is made for all nations is made for none."
These raise the question of how much of the Western madness and Western self-negation (adoration of the third-world non-white migrants) that we witness today is a mere rationalization of the economic interests of the (now post-national, global) elites and how much is the triumph of a moralistic anti-white ideology/religion pushed by militant minorities bent to twist the culture so as to fit their interests.
Perhaps it is a lethal cross-hybridization, a case of convergent interests.

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Smaranda Dobrescu
Smaranda Dobrescu Drepturi universale (individuale) , democratie liberala ; Drepturi colective, o Constitutie care se adreseaza natiunii. Globalizarea, liberalismul, mai sigur neoliberalismul ajung sa fie incompatibile cu democratia. Intrebarea care sare peste cateva idei este: Dictatura este totusi antiteza democratiei?
 
 
Ovidiu Stoica
Ovidiu Stoica Nu inteleg. Esti de acord sau e o critica ? sau lipseste problematica 'post-democratiei' ?
 
 
Smaranda Dobrescu
Smaranda Dobrescu Nu e o critica caci nu am inteles exact care sunt urmarile observatiei ca minoritatile au drepturi individuale care oricand pot duce la exagerari. Drepturile colective ar aduce un castig tuturor?
Ce se intampla cu democratia din statele neoliberale c
are nu pot sa o asigure de facto?In privinta imigratiei de-a valma, necontrolate am aceeasi parere cu majoritatea colegilor. IN privinta unor natiuni si state puternice, la fel.
 
 
Ovidiu Stoica
Ovidiu Stoica Chestiunea aici nu e drepturi individuale versus drepturi colective. Chestiunea e 'drepturi universale', drepturi care transcend politicul, vointa politica a colectivitatii (natiunii) si astfel o anuleaza.
 
 
Prospectiv A-z .
Cred ca avem o problema conceptuala mai sus: Drepturile sunt "universale (individuale)" sau "universale"?


Drepturile nu pot apare din piatra seaca. Ele sunt cealalta fateta a unor obligatii. Care sa fie acele obligatii 'universale (individuale)', respectiv 'universale' corespounzatoare?

Numai dupa ce raspundem intrebarii de mai sus putem deduce care ne sunt drepturile! Altfel, observ o inflatie de drepturi pe minoritati si o deflatie de drepturi pe majoritate.
 
 
Ovidiu Stoica
Ovidiu Stoica Drepturile universale sunt totdeauna drepturi individuale. Sunt "la purtator" si le duci cu tine oriunde, in orice tara te-ai afla. Idea de 'drept' vine de la romani -"jus" (de unde vine "justitie") dar ele au fost intelese de romani ca drepturi doar ale cetatenilor romani (ai Romei), deci nu universale, si nu "metafizice", inalienabile, ci produsul vointei majoritatii si a procesului politic, si deci alterabile oricand....Situatia s-a schimbat odata cu Crestinismul, cu Sf. Augustin si al sau "Oras a lui D-zeu" (City of God) care a 'inventat' idea de drepturi independente de vointa comunitatii politice ( a orasului-stat), drepturi inalienabile, garantate de D-zeu oricarui crestin oriunde s-ar afla (universale) si pe care orice comunitate politica trebuie sa le garanteze indiferent de ce crede despre ele.....Idea a lancezit vreme de secole pana la aparitia Iluminismului (liberalism, modernitate) cand a fost reluata sub forma de 'drepturi naturale, universale, ale omului' pe care orice stat trebuie sa le garanteze (nu are voie sa le incalce indiferent de ce vor cetatenii statului respectiv). A devenit astfel un instrument politic prin care se pot avansa interese ale unor grupuri indiferent de vointa majoritatii, indiferent de procesul democratic.
 
 
Smaranda Dobrescu
Smaranda Dobrescu Daca tin eu bine minte, drepturile universale se definesc prin faptul ca orice persoana are dreptul sa traiasca in demnitate si sa i se respecte drepturile fundamentale in indiferent ce loc traieste. Drepturile fundamentale sau individuale sunt definite in Declaratia drepturilor Omului de la Paris din 1948. Drepturile universale fac de fapt apel la drepturile individuale.
De interes din Declaratia universala a drepturilor omului:

Article premier

Tous les êtres humains naissent libres et égaux en dignité et en droits. Ils sont doués de raison et de conscience et doivent agir les uns envers les autres dans un esprit de fraternité.

Article 2

1. Chacun peut se prévaloir de tous les droits et de toutes les libertés proclamés dans la présente Déclaration, sans distinction aucune, notamment de race, de couleur, de sexe, de langue, de religion, d'opinion politique ou de toute autre opinion, d'origine nationale ou sociale, de fortune, de naissance ou de toute autre situation.
2. De plus, il ne sera fait aucune distinction fondée sur le statut politique, juridique ou international du pays ou du territoire dont une personne est ressortissante, que ce pays ou territoire soit indépendant, sous tutelle, non autonome ou soumis à une limitation quelconque de souveraineté.
 
 
Prospectiv A-z .
Drepturi sunt NUMAI ACELEA CARE POT FI APARATE. Drepturile stipulate aici nu pot fi aparate nici la aparatori, asa ca...


Ce pozitie adoptam, una idealista sau una realista? Drepturile nu pot fi aparate eficient decat in cadrul unor comunitati. Altfel, ele devin batz prin gardul altora. Adica, de exemplu, francezii merg sa moara in Siria pentru drepturi care nu le pot garanta francezilor de acasa. De americani nu mai vorbesc.... In schema asta, romanii nu-s decat cei care asteapta para malaiata a drepturilor...
 
 
Ovidiu Stoica
Ovidiu Stoica  In plus, sa adaug la ce am scris, nu doar ca "devenit astfel un instrument politic prin care se pot avansa interese ale unor grupuri indiferent de vointa majoritatii, indiferent de procesul democratic"..a devenit si un instrument de politica externa prin care se justifica interventia militara asupra unui stat "suveran" pe motiv ca statul respectiv "nu respecta drepturile (universale) ale cetatenilor "...Statele Unite deseori isi justifica astel interventiile (Yugoslavia, Irak, Libia)
 
Smaranda Dobrescu
Smaranda Dobrescu Sau sunt nedemocrate si trebuiesc educate...
 


 

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